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post Jan 9 2003, 05:00 AM
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so it is then. you may have found my last post odd but i do hope you understood.

i'll assume for now that your understanding of objectivism and communism is the same as what most people hold: each one locates at the extreme ends of the state control vs. free market polarity. am i right? if so, let me now put in some clarifications:

my brand of communism may be in part defined as one marked by a broad collectivsm. however, IT IS NOT CANNOT ENTIRELY definable by such a simple polar relation. examples:

i want to collectivize intenal security. call it a police state. the resources/output of all must be tapped for this. what's the purpose? simply to protect the citizenry. HERE, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE WITH WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN A RANDIAN SOCIETY. while randians believe that individuals should first and foremost look after themselves, they still feel that a policing government is morally justified since two competing individuals may carry their actions to the point that one's rights are being violated.

second, i reject marx' belief that capital is a social asset, not an individual's. his argument here seems myopic: a single businessman may need money to kick off an enterprise but it's the collective effort of his workers that really create the value. i see no logic to this. therefore, i submit that a true communist society must still allow individuals to amass wealth and have the power to trade (loosely defined to include hiring of employees who will be paid fairly).

i also want to protect the environment in order to maintain its rated holding capacity. population control must be ENFORCED, NOT MERELY ENCOURAGED. AND THE ENVIRONEMENT MUST NOT ONLY BE PROTECTED, IT MUST BE MANAGED. now this calls for a real collective effort.

alright, those are examples of my intended structure or 'operating features' as you call them. now if you want me to tell you how i feel towards their 'divergent' philosophies, i will say the following: both have, more or less, the same opinion of what reality is (our physical universe). both have as its basic moral code the protection of each individual. both rely on reason.

it is in the matter of ethics wherein they diverge. one champions self-interest while the other wants a unified platform. one holds that a completely free market system is the only environment wherein an individual can live properly. the other believes in regulation and centralized planning as long as these two are practical.

so now i ask, given very similar ideas on metaphysics, morals and epistemology, does one really have argue much about how each individual or the whole population should act and behave? won't self-interest ultimately come face-to-face with common interest? isn't the absence of laws just as dangerous as a failure of government?

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benign0   An honest evaluation of Filipino/Philippine culture.   Dec 31 2002, 03:42 PM
jmal   Galing! Binatukan yata ako ng...katotohanan?   Dec 31 2002, 09:38 PM
mac_bolan00   hey benignut! expanding our horizons, i see. that'...   Jan 2 2003, 09:05 PM
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