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post Mar 18 2003, 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by raggster:
Why Doesn't benign0's Analysis Work?

An Initial Analysis

*since he asked for it!

the Solution Article seems solid enough. however, it suffers from three fundamental problems:

1. utter lack of references: while there are numerous allusions to historical events and trends, he does not provide us with any literature that would validate his analysis. he doesn't even what, is no one trustworthy enough a historian?

I leave it up to the reader to validate whatever assertions I make on that site. Since you choose to refute these logical assertions, the burden of citing counter-references rests on you.

The content of that site draws its validtiy from the soundness of the logic and reasoning behind the assertions made there. Readers are encouraged to refute the logic and reasoning behind these. Any gradeschool student can research historical events and crunch numbers and spew out statistics.

Originally posted by raggster:
1.a. the few references we DO have elsewhere in the site are highly obscure, and have no credentials. again, how sure are we that this analysis is accurate, grounded on fact? are we to take the webmaster's word that all this is "real?"

AS you yourself said. It is up to you to take my word for what is presented in that website. The burden of proof as to the falseness of these assertions rests on you who and anyone else who chooses to spend time refuting obvious facts about Pinoy culture.

Your call for credentials is old hat. Many have come before you challenging me to present my credentials. My credentials lie in the logic and reasoning behind the assertions I make.

Originally posted by raggster:
2. cultural conflict: he admits that we are culturally incompatible to the Western models of development, yet proposes that we change our culture (as if such change can be effected within a lifetime) and maintain our Westernized development plans (which, incidentally, is that which we can more easily modify and adapt to our situation).

That's why I propose cultural change -- to make ours compatible with Western models of development which we choose to apply to our own efforts to develop our nation.

Note that I make no assertion that we "maintain our Westernized development plans" at all costs. I maintain that we have chosen to follow Western models of development and since we have chosen thus, that we change our culture to facilitate the application of said model.

And, no, there is no way that change of the magnitude I propose can be effected in one lifetime (which is the subject of the next piece I am working on). That's the trouble with us. Our mindset is short-term and does not span generations (such as the way the Chinese think) where each generation lays foundations for subsequent generations.

Originally posted by raggster:
3. utter lack of an action plan: on the outset, we are presented with general modes of action, and nothing more. there is no concrete, structured action plan being proposed; instead, we find a lot of appeals towards personal effort, probably in the hopes of effecting change on the communal, and eventually on the national scale. the recently plugged article on Self-Reliance confirms this paradigm. this leads to two problematic situations:

3.a. development as informal? - without a structured, integrated development plan, this proposal is ate best targeted at individual change, on the informal levels. this approach is highly unreliable. we have no indicators, no tangible data, no mechanism for feedback and analysis. how then can the success of this approach be measured? how do we, in fact, KNOW that the Filipinos are taking all this advice to heart?

We've barely started developing the concept and you are already saying it won't work. Isn't such an attitude the hallmark of every institution and entity that stood in the way of progress?

Japan did it during the Meiji restoration.

Singapore underwent its own social engineering effort (to cite an extreme case, LKY successfully eradicated the practice of spitting and the removal of spitting bowls from public buildings).

Developing the framework for implementing the solutions and measuring its success is part of the solutions development exercise which I've pointed out on the site is a work-in-progress.

As I said. The reader has two options depending on how constructive he or she is:

1. He/she either highlights the gaps and point them out, full stop (as what you are doing right now); or,

2. He/she recognises the gaps and then contribute ideas to fill these gaps.

Note that by posting the two pieces on Trust and Self-Reliance, I've already entered into the next phase of this exercise (the first phase being the development of the Framework at a high-level).

Do you see the drill-down iterative approach being taken?

And you say it is "highly-unreliable". As if any framework that Philippine society has ever latched on to has served it well. Reliability has never been a virtue of anything Filipino, for that matter. So what is wrong with trying an untested formula?

Originally posted by raggster:
speaking of taking this advice:

3.b. improper advocacy: if, on the other hand, this is an advocacy campaign, then it is in the wrong venue. since it advocates change on the personal level, then by principle it must reach the majority of citizens to effect any real change over time.

The fact that it is already a challenge conveying it to representatives of the Philippine intelligentsia such as yourself already speaks of the challenges that lie ahead.

As I said. It depends on how constructive you are. Our social caste controls virtually the entire information dissemination infrastructure of the nation. So, in principle, any concept that takes root in our circles should eventually be imparted (i.e. cascaded) down the social fabric.

It's the whole principle behind the Jesuits' investment of their time and effort educating the elite (as what they are doing in the Ateneo and Xavier). The hope is that the elite, being in the best position to influence the most, shall do its part.

Originally posted by raggster:
as it is, the Internet is the wrost possible platform you can use, beause only less than 2% of our entire population uses the Internet on a regular basis, much less for activites as specific as searching for development advocacies.

It is also the cheapest medium considering no serious publication will publish highly politically-incorrect views such as mine.

Originally posted by raggster:
comments are welcome.


think of my earlier comments as thinly disguised (though obviously not thinly enough, since you still can't get it) questions meant to fish whatever development efforts you're currently engaged in. i'm personally curious.

Whatever you say.

I'm flattered that you continue to be focused on benign0 rather than benign0's message. Maybe we'll have coffee sometime. Depends on how impressive your manner of discussing turns out.

At least you've gone beyond non-value-adding posts like:
Originally posted by raggster:
/me walks into the thread, looks around, and shakes his head with disgust




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benign0   An honest evaluation of Filipino/Philippine culture.   Dec 31 2002, 03:42 PM
jmal   Galing! Binatukan yata ako ng...katotohanan?   Dec 31 2002, 09:38 PM
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benign0   oops. [ March 18, 2003: Message edited by: benign...   Mar 18 2003, 04:31 PM
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benign0   That's what I'm working on. I'm still at the top ...   Mar 19 2003, 06:18 PM
raggster   the above reply of benign0 begs the question of wh...   Mar 20 2003, 05:24 PM
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