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post Mar 19 2003, 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by raggster:
you've already supposedly provided the proper context, have you not? my question is simply a follow-up from your articles.

let me rephrase it, just so we're clear: "Given that developmental context of cultural re-alignment that you outline, what are the critical structured actions steps that must be implemented?"

That's what I'm working on. I'm still at the top most levels of the framework.

Originally posted by raggster:
or are you conceding that this framework of yours is insufficient? apparently you are, since you concede that it is still in development and is thus incomplete.

That's what I've been telling you for the past several posts.

Originally posted by raggster:
that being the case, since your solutions framework is unfinished, and your critical next steps a faraway dream, then what, exactly, are you talking about when you say that the credibility of your logic and reason cannot be questioned?

I never said it "cannot be questioned". I said that it should be questioned from a logic/reasoning perspective.

Your initial approach was to question its credibility from an empirical and credentials perspective. Recall the following gems of yours:
benign0, it doesn't help your case to refer to "logic and reason" as the final criterion for credibility. in the real world, what is credible is what works.

1. utter lack of references: while there are numerous allusions to historical events and trends, he does not provide us with any literature that would validate his analysis. he doesn't even what, is no one trustworthy enough a historian?

You had two other observations:
2. cultural conflict: he admits that we are culturally incompatible to the Western models of development, yet proposes that we change our culture (as if such change can be effected within a lifetime) and maintain our Westernized development plans (which, incidentally, is that which we can more easily modify and adapt to our situation).

3. utter lack of an action plan: on the outset, we are presented with general modes of action, and nothing more. there is no concrete, structured action plan being proposed; instead, we find a lot of appeals towards personal effort, probably in the hopes of effecting change on the communal, and eventually on the national scale. the recently plugged article on Self-Reliance confirms this paradigm. this leads to two problematic situations:

3.a. development as informal? - without a structured, integrated development plan, this proposal is ate best targeted at individual change, on the informal levels. this approach is highly unreliable. we have no indicators, no tangible data, no mechanism for feedback and analysis. how then can the success of this approach be measured? how do we, in fact, KNOW that the Filipinos are taking all this advice to heart?

I believe I've already answered 2, 3, and 3.a. and your next statement (from your last post which I respond to in this post) verifies that you've understood my answer to 3 and 3.a. thus:
Originally posted by raggster:
by your own admission, the idea is not even whole yet.

To the item 2, I've responded with the examples of Singapore and Japan.

Now all of a sudden you make an unsubstantiated claim (and I challenge you to cite where I said this) that I assert that my logic/reasoning "cannot be questioned".

If you try a bit more carefully to understand my responses to your ad-hoministic remarks (i.e. which most of your "evaluation" falls under), I've been trying to tell you in the last 3-4 posts that questions directed at the nature of my logic and reasoning is what I am trying to get my detractors to focus on. Instead, most of them -- you included -- focus on credentials, references, and empirical proof.

Originally posted by raggster:
it amuses me to no end that someone who advocates against "finger-pointing" would resort to exactly that when the practicability of his framework is put into question.

That is because your questions are out of scope. This thread aims to present my ideas for critical examination. It does not aim to glorify what I might be doing beyond my efforts to disseminate "getrealist" ideas.

If my aim was to boast of my credentials, university degree, and pedigree (which I think Mr. mac_bolan00 is the resident expert on - Is that why you two get along?), then you'd be spot on with the line of questioning you have so far dished out in this thread.

Originally posted by raggster:
i won't say this again. it is not my burden to show that your solution framework is practicable. my position is one of open questioning.

Again, my objectives here are very simple:

(Objective 1) to disseminate "getrealist" ideas and promote my site, and;
(Objective 2) to expand my site by "feed[ing] on" (as your pal mac_bolan00 aptly put it) input I receive as a result of my activites related to Objective 1).
(Objective 3) respond to and take on-board questions about the logical merit of the ideas I put forward.


- If your "open questioning" is all about the logic/reasoning behind the ideas I present here and on my website, then let's play ball.

- But if your "open questioning" is about speculating on what I do beyond presenting my "getrealist" ideas (and the logic behind them), then you may as well discuss with a brick wall as this line of questioning is out of scope.

Originally posted by raggster:
and thus far, your answers are found severely wanting.

That is because you ask the wrong questions as far as the topic of this thread is concerned.

Don't worry, I think you are getting there. I'll try to use shorter words and sentences from now on.

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benign0   An honest evaluation of Filipino/Philippine culture.   Dec 31 2002, 03:42 PM
jmal   Galing! Binatukan yata ako ng...katotohanan?   Dec 31 2002, 09:38 PM
mac_bolan00   hey benignut! expanding our horizons, i see. that'...   Jan 2 2003, 09:05 PM
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jjlorenz   This should gain more exposure. This neo-conservat...   Jan 3 2003, 09:42 PM
mac_bolan00   not the west and the rich per se but rather their ...   Jan 3 2003, 10:01 PM
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mac_bolan00   look at me. i don't let other people's stupidities...   Jan 4 2003, 02:30 AM
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mac_bolan00   wrong. there should be more people like me and les...   Jan 6 2003, 04:14 PM
benign0   In reality there are very few like myself. There ...   Jan 6 2003, 05:32 PM
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bbarra   Benign0, further more...while your criticisms are ...   Mar 15 2003, 12:29 PM
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benign0   oops. [ March 18, 2003: Message edited by: benign...   Mar 18 2003, 04:31 PM
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benign0   That's what I'm working on. I'm still at the top ...   Mar 19 2003, 06:18 PM
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